It was the last time the Bagbys would see Zachary. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on June 16, 2016. Get Morning Report and other email newsletters. Or by navigating to the user icon in the top right. He and his wife also participated in a. When theyre telling their story, David will invariably ask Kate whether shed like to start a particular chapter, or should he? But the book is also the story of a remarkable couple whose journey of grief took them from the suburban comfort of Northern California to the harsh coast and courts of Newfoundland, Canada. In November 2001, Bagby was found dead under suspicious circumstances in a local park, to the anguish of many. He said, `What do you mean?' A three-volume report released in 2006 by coroner Peter Markesteyn blamed fundamental flaws in the province's social services for Zachary's preventable death. It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). The pain of having lost not only their son but now also their grandson was too much to bear. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. I'll never understand why. A tragedy that could have been prevented. If it looks like she's likely to go back, how is she going to behave? GARDNER: (Audio recording) I have to tell you that Andrew is dead. And because he made friends easily, the Bagbys home was the hangout for Andrew and his friends. Mr. BAGBY: Oh, this ranks right up there. Since their son was murdered in 2001 and their . I got to see what happens to the bastard who did this. MORRISON: As Kurt tracked down Andrew's friends for the documentary he was making, he discovered that not a one had anything favorable to say about Shirley. I didn't even know why I was going, other than Mom didn't want. I--we both did. Andrew Bagby was a genial boy with dark hair hanging over his cherubic face. You can, just--there's nothing. Kate reacted with tremendous grief.. KATE: You get a different kind of relationship with God after this kind of. Home video captured what looked like a. typical domestic scene, but beneath these happy images lies a darker truth. Shockingly, despite everything that happened both on and after the show, Kate and David made another go of it. When Turner arrived in Canada, she moved into an apartment in St. Johns with her college-age son, T.J. Shears. What shocked fans the most was that Kate actually took David back, and the pair dated for a while after the show aired. Beyond all that, they have each other, which has proven to be a force stronger than they ever knew. So intense, horrifying, and yet inspired by the love and devotion of Andrews parents and their dedication to raise and teach their one and only sweet grandson. The Bagbys attended the hearing, of course, and, could not quite believe their ears when they heard the judge's ruling. I read on Netflix it's best you know nothing about the story, and that is so true. Mackenzie spent a semester studying abroad in Dublin, and has had the travel bug ever since. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. I don't think I could have done what they did. The Bagby's lived a nightmare that no person should ever have to go through and I admire their courage and strength. May give you a new appreciation for being an American. We. He eventually moved on to a residency in Latrobe, Pa., and she went to work as a family practice doctor in Council Bluffs, Iowa. The first time I had to go into a room with her, David says. She was coming here to take care of me. Zachary's birth gave the documentary new impetus. Cpl. I'm sure she died thinking she had won, but I also hope her she is living her justice now, in hell. She was granted bail and awarded custody of the child despite the fact that she faced charges ofpremeditated murder and had fled the U.S. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. In the spring of 2002, David quit his job and Kate took a leave. Cpl. What terrible conditions he came into this world under, Kate says. Their year-old grandson was killed by his mother in Newfoundland while she was out on bail awaiting an extradition decision. Reviewed in the United States on September 4, 2020. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. "She was difficult to get to know," says Kate. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. Cpl. For this night they were a couple once again, dancing and drinking together. A tale of sorrow and survival. I had lovely family. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. The next day, his body was found riddled with bullets. Like everyone elses mom, I guess.. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. killing Zachary in a murder-suicide. Was it true? Shortly after being taken into custody, Turner announced that she was pregnant with Andrew's child, a boy she named Zachary. Zachary Andrew Turner was born July 18, 2002. Immortalized in the spellbinding documentary Dear Zachary, this angry, raw, and brutally honest memoir of murder and loss chronicles a systems failure to prevent the death of a child. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. If I, just kill her, Zachary will be safe. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. MORRISON: The ammunition used to kill Andrew was CCI .22 caliber bullets. He was in, Mr. SHEARS: I would cook supper sometimes when she wasn't around. With that powerful, evidence, Shirley Turner was formally charged with Andrew's murder and, arrested by Newfoundland police. KATE: I thought, `Well, God, this is it.' While they could not have foreseen the murder or their son, Andrew, they did everything they could to keep their grandson, Zachery, safe. It is recommended that you watch the film first before reading on (though do be warned it is NOT an easy or pleasant watch in the slightest. His arguments towards the refusal of parole for alleged murderers is superb and really shows how idiotic the laws can be. While fending off extradition efforts by U.S. law enforcement, she announced she was pregnant with Andrew's son, Zachary. Some months ago I watched the documentary, "Dear Zachery" on Netflix. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. And she followed Andrew to St. John's. In Canada, extradition involves a number of complex steps. He made sure to wrap Zachary in a blanket (rather than a bag) and kept him as far away from Shirley's corpse as he could. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. But I used to look at her hand and think, it. Andrew Bagby is murdered in the US by a woman who was angry that he broke up with her. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. CBC's Journalistic Standards and Practices. The. He said, `Well, it's 4:30 now. He's a little bleary eyed, but. She was here.' This sad tale tells how slowly justice moved and failed to protect an innocent year old child. (David and Kate; photo of Andrew by tape being put into recording device; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you babysitting? Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. ", He started to cry and reached out for Kate, but Turner held him back and said firmly: "You can't always be with your grandparents.". The treatments worked a sweet miracle and on Sept. 25, 1973, Andrew David Bagby was born. He was developing a personality. Another guy and I said, `Sure. He went to work at Latrobe Area Hospital. So I gave her the. MORRISON: It was almost two years after Andrew Bagby's murder, when Shirley Turner's eldest son T.J. drove home to his girlfriend after an. And you just bought the gun, right? I didn't like her but I didn't think she was capable of murder.". He had been shot five times - in the face, chest, twice in the buttocks and once in the back of the head. ', Mr. SIMPSON: And I told him, I said, `You know, Andrew, when I break up with somebody and put them on a plane and send them 1300 miles away,' I said, `They knock on my front door, I'm going out the back door and I'm calling the police.' MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. We finally got a baby.. (Talking in group) This is not about money. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. She, floored by grief. A security guard reported hearing a. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. If. Instead, the hearings and appeals dragged on for nearly two years. a month after 30 days. So, be prepared., The emotion that was shown was beyond description, really, Snow says. ?I knew what Zachary's fate would be long before it was written about here but it was shattering to read of it from his grandfather's perspective. https://www.saltwire.com//california-couple-want-as-many-/ saltwire.com California couple want as many people as possible to know their story | SaltWire So far, nothing has changed - but continuing the legal battle helps give David and Kate the strength to carry on. Some of her earliest memories are watching Survivor with her family and having everyone show off their best Jeff Probst impersonation. She spent the day in his house across from the hospital, reading e-mail and checking eBay bids for a Barbie doll she wanted. We couldnt live without him, Kate Bagby says. First, the provincial and territorial courts must determine whether the accused should be jailed in Canada as the proceedings move forward. We. Andrew, of all people, seemed to have no enemies at all. MORRISON: A couple of hours later, there was another knock at the, Mr. BAGBY: Told us what happened. MORRISON: But then she claimed she couldn't find it. There is only so much that Kurt could fit in an hour and a half and I learned so much more by reading things from David's own words. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. MORRISON: But would that somebody turn out to be a blessing or a curse? decision. I tended to break down in rage.. Shirley Turner had walked out to the end, of a pier with tiny Zachary strapped to her body with a sweater, then jumped, into the ocean. Maybe the last time you talked to Shirley there was some very subtle change in tone. Snow. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. Their relationship with the woman who killed their son was unimaginable. 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